in the late 1930s - 1941 and the M1 helmet and liner was phased in 1941 - 1942. FOR SALE! In early 1915, Schwerd completed a study of head wounds that were the result of trench warfare and submitted a recommendation for steel helmets. In addition, the heads of soldiers had relatively greater exposure than other body areas above the parapets in the European trench warfare of that period, and the British "Brodie" helmet and the nearly identical U.S. Marine Corps Doughboy helmet gave insufficient protection to the back of the skull (in contrast to the protection afforded by . I'm putting in a picture. Similarly, the cap, when turned upside down, could be used for everything from a bowl for eating to a washbasin for shaving and rinsing to a miniature bucket. The development of a replacement model, the Mark II, and its widespread distribution from 1940 onwards meant that the evacuation from Dunkirk was one of the last military campaigns during which the original Brodie was worn extensively by British troops. Soldiers wearing the recently issued Brodie helmet on the Western Front, 1916 More details: NAM. I am pretty sure the ww2 helmet was worn protecting/ patrolling the British Houses of Parliament after he was injured in standard service. I would say the paintwork on your helmet is original. Whether it be a small antique shop, militaria show or even an online auction. The original and very distinctive steel helmet adopted by Great Britain was designed and patented in 1915 by its inventor, John L Brodie. var year=mydate.getYear() worked in or simply that he worked in a department in a parliamentary house, it's speculative at best I know ?. Accordingly, the American government purchased hundreds of thousands of Brodie helmets from the British as a stop-gap measure. Good to see that copper rivetswere used. Royal Marine Light Infantry who died 17/03/1918 BELLAVISTA OLD BRITISH CEMETERY Peru ' This helmet, designated "Brodie's Steel Helmet, War Office Pattern" began fielding in October 1915 and gave the name of its inventor to an entire line of stamped steel helmets used by a large number of countries including Australia, Canada, New Zealand, and the United States (which adopted it as the M1917). var day=mydate.getDay() I found my step-fathers fathers and grand-fathers britishbrodie helmets from ww1 and ww2. The resulting product, which was ready for mass production in 1917, was the M1917, the direct predecessor of the M1. As for the number/letter code, that is the code for the manufacturer and the manufacturer's lot number. The main part of the helmet was the steel shell or cap which was produced from non-magnetic Hadfield Steel, a steel and manganese alloy similar to that which the British had begun to employ to make the Brodie helmet as early as 1916. Helmets and Headgear. Identifying a Mk.1* British Civil Defence Brodie. British Nurse Vera Brittain, http://warrelics.eu/forum/helmets/ww1-b met-16128/. Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. Hi, thanks for your reply. View detail. A soup dish style helmet from the Great War, offered for sale islabeledincorrectly. Mar 18, 2023 (2) WWI US ARMY DOUGHBOY COMBAT HELMETS $50. dailyinfo[22]=' 25368 Quartermaster Serjeant Leonard Henry CADE Meritorious Service Medal 12th Coy. The doughnut was added for the wearers comfort. Category. The stamping on the underside of the rim reads: G.S.W. Sparks Withington Co - Jackson - Michigan. Seaforth Highlanders who died 20/03/1919 BEIRUT WAR CEMETERY Lebanese Republic ' We live day by day, and I always say: yesterday is history, today's reality, and tomorrow's a dream.' Upload or insert images from URL. "Foyle." Highland Light Infantry who died 19/03/1915 LE TOURET MEMORIAL France ' 3rd Bn. else { document.write(fontstart+"No major events today"+fontend); } It looks like it's stamped 'JSS' above the date marking, which is the maker's mark for Joseph Sankey & Sons Ltd, who produced helmet shells from 1938 to 1941. By DizzyDeano96 12 months ago. NPH [1] Contents 1 Background Few military helmets that have ever been manufactured are as iconic as the Brodie helmet. During the State Opening of Parliament in 1942 they formed a guard of honour for the King in the Royal Gallery and in that same year were inspected by Churchill. | Est. The letter which follows the slash representsthe company who rolled the steel provide for the helmet. The steel for the M1917 helmets was rolled by the American Sheet and Tin Plate Co and were stamped with a Heat or Lot code, The helmet liners were made by 10 Shoe Manufacturing Company's, the shells and liners would be delivered to the. Was wondering if anyone could give some more info on it. Clear editor. M1 fixed bail, 34th ID "Red Bull" w/ Mickey Mouse Camo. British Mark Mark I Brodie U.S. P17 helmet The most obvious difference may be observed by turning the helmet over. Hi Tom, it looks to me like it might be a Home Guard helmet but I will let Colin give his opinion first. 14th Bde. Powered by Invision Community, Brodie Steel trench helmet Identification marks, Upcoming changes to logging in - click here, GWF is free to use so please support the Forum. In all around 900,ooo of these helmets were made by McCord's. You need to be a member in order to leave a comment. British chinstrap bail The chinstrap bails on a British Mark I and a U.S. P17 are of a completely different design. 4th Bn. The high temperature of the oven caused the lead based paint to melt briefly before hardening which encapsulated the saw dust particles securing them to the helmets surface. The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. Most American helmets lack manufacture marks. . British helmets were brush painted by hand. NOT JUST RESTORATION. Fully restored with river gravel finis As for suppliers I found another list with a few more names that were missing from Scott's list. http://www.cefresearch.com/phpBB2/index.php, Here is a reply from Roger Lucy, who wrote the book TIN LIDS, "In his article on the Mk.I in Militaria # 6, July, 1994, the British helmet guru, Marcus Cotton, suggests that FKS probably stands for Thos. McCord Radiator, Ford Motor Company were both known to have made P17s, but there wereundoubtedly more. If so I know the US Navy used red painted helmets on their ships fordamage control teams. H.M.S. By holding a British shell in one hand and an American shell in the other the weight difference is obvious. I've not seen that stamp mark before , it's not WW1, and I don't think it is WW2, it could bepost war. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' This dilemmaseems to become particularly problematic for the British reenactors who after spending hundred of dollars on their kit accidentally purchase an American helmet because they dont know the difference, or for collectors who want one or the other represented in their collection. brodie helmet All Auction Buy it now 386 results Service Type Country/ Organization Era Issued/ Not-Issued Condition Price Buying format All filters WW 2 BRODIE NFS Helmet 1940. JOHN THE BAPTIST, LAWRENCE AND ANN) CHURCHYARD United Kingdom ' Hello Gents, it's been a long time, but I am back with an ID request. The shell is an American made M1917A1 made by the ( McCord Radiator Co ) the heat stamp number( 10C ). As usually occurs during such periods of protracted stability, investment in innovations in military equipment was limited and there was no real urgency to develop new weapons and protective equipment. 1st Bn. The American P17 chinstrap bail negated the flaws of the British design. Head Gear POOR MANS MILITARIA. If it is a British helmet, you will find a rubber doughnut in the crown of the helment, and the bales are often installed with split rivets. The Both the liners and the chinstrap on the British and its American cousin are almost identical. Surely there is only one Great War Forum!!! There are some small differences though, one being British chinstrap have stamped steel or brass slide buckles while the Americans favored cast steel slide buckles. Firth & Sons. i don't know anything about brodie helmet . "Orbita." Discussion board for World War 1 reenactors. dailyinfo[4]=' Matrose Paul KURZKE Torpedoboot "G85" German Navy who died 04/03/1919 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' I bought a M1 Vietnam era helmet through mail order surplus years ago and turns out they grabbed me a very collectable M1C paratrooper helmet. The American bail is made from 12 gauge iron wire. With a liner most HS shells are running around $150.00 on most sites. The American shell is heavier. Worcestershire Regiment who died 23/02/1915 LOKER CHURCHYARD Belgium ' About this item Reproduction of the World War Two British Brodie Helmet complete with a sprung webbing chin strap. The first letters representthe company who pressed the helmet. Email: Support@WW2Helmets.Com Phone: (208) 656-3440. So is there actually a difference? Royal Horse Artillery who died 16/03/1917 VARENNES MILITARY CEMETERY France ' Why I speak of our Canadian Great war forumyou know, us Canadians? M42 winter camo. After the introduction of the M1 helmet surplus M1917A1. I am not sure if the colour is original, as most pictures shown here are of a lighter green. In the years after the end of the war the American Infantry Board tested a number of new models, but each of these were deemed to not mark any real improvement on the earlier design. $3,000. I'm sorry I don't have the answer to your question, but (and I apologise profoundly for what follows) - what's this about another Great War Forum? Fully restored with river gravel finis, M16 LW transitional helmet. Find many great new & used options and get the best deals for WW2 British Army MkII Brodie Helmet MkI Liner - 1939, MKII Chinstrap at the best online prices at eBay! Royal Engineers who died 31/01/1919 COLOGNE SOUTHERN CEMETERY Germany ' Bluecher German Navy who died 29/01/1915 CANNOCK CHASE GERMAN MILITARY CEMETERY United Kingdom ' Progressive Knitting Works - Brooklyn - New York. Welcome to the forum, is the red definitely paint? if (month<10) month="0"+month Some developed nations such as Australia and Canada even continued to use it well into the 1990s. dailyinfo[24]=' Captain Denzil Robert THURSTON Air Force Cross Airship Training Wing (Cranwell). This is an excellent . WW1 US AEF Unit Flashed Brodie Combat Helmet & Liner - $612.65. . In WW1 Allies: Great Britain, France, USA, etc 1914 - 1918, In Polish Armed Forces - Second Republic (Siy Zbrojne II Rzeczypospolitej Polskiej) 1918-1939, blue brodie helmet(or not) identification, Advice on purchasing a British Military MKII Helmet. First questions and then the story. on the American helmets they look very crudely overlapped. The Brodie has been described by the Imperial War Museum as "a masterpiece of simple design", while militaria expert Martin Pegler calls it "the most instantly recognisable symbol of the British Tommy", although most troops would not have referred to it by by the same name. All helmets of this shape and form are known as Brodie helmets - even the ones manufactured abroad. dailyinfo[9]=' Boy SALEH HAJI S.S. TANGISTAN (Swansea).Indian Merchant Service who died 09/03/1915 BOMBAY 1914-1918 MEMORIAL, MUMBAI India ' I don't think FKS has been definitively pinned down, but most sources say it represents Firth & Sons Ltd. I bought aBrodie helmet and I'm not sure from witch war or time the helmet is from. 3rd Bn. These helmets were approved for service on 15 May 1916. Paste as plain text instead, Article about: Hi everybody i found this helmet while i'm surfing on the net. dailyinfo[10]=' 14780 Member Ida Styles HUGHES (Oxford) Womens Royal Air Force who died 10/03/1919 OXFORD (ROSE HILL) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' For instance, we are all familiar with American troops digging up foxholes to serve as make-shift beds and trenches during the Battle of the Bulge in Belgium and eastern France in the winter of 1944. We are born to die, but I appreciate life. Irish Guards who died 18/03/1916 CALAIS SOUTHERN CEMETERY France ' The M1917 Brodie Helmet was manufactured by the Columbian Enameling and Stamping Company (Terre Haute, IN, USA). depaor014 January , 2013 in Uniforms,Cap Badges and Insignia. I always liked the Brodie Helmet, sure as protective as other helmets of the era but a neat helmet. While the M1917 and Brodie helmets appear very similar, a few characteristics like the chinstrap ball, construction material and paint were slightly different. . dailyinfo[3]=' 45 Gunner HAZURA SINGH 31st Mountain Battery Indian Mountain Artillery who died 03/03/1920 TEHRAN MEMORIAL Iranm ' FOR SALE! NPB. L31cm x D29cm x H12cm. Is it a WWI or WWII helmet? The story, for many years I wanted a bog standard WW2 Cdn pattern helmet for my collection, mainly a display piece. Upload or insert images from URL. I really don't think there are any other markings. Royal Army Medical Corps who died 22/02/1919 NUNHEAD (ALL SAINTS) CEMETERY United Kingdom ' View detail. There were at least six British helmet manufactures and nine steel suppliers. if it is red underneathit could have been. whitman75 6 years ago.